Parents angered as every pupil is given halal school meals - Page 2

**KALKI** · 19-12-2006

Parents angered as every pupil is given halal school meals

Halal meat is being served to pupils in state schools without their knowledge, even if they believe the religious slaughter is cruel.

Parents have reacted furiously after being sent letters telling them their children's school dinners have been all-halal for 'some time'.

To conform with Jewish and Muslim religious tradition, animals are prepared for halal products by having their throats slit while conscious - a method many people believe is inhumane and which the RSPCA has condemned.

The meat was introduced at four schools in the Reading area with a high proportion of Muslim pupils. But parents of non-Muslim pupils - between 20 and 50 per cent of the schools' roll -say they were not consulted.

Coach driver Andrew Weston, 37, who has a son and daughter at St John's primary school, said: "We received a letter saying only halal meat was being served and had been for some time. I was shocked.

"The way the animals are killed for this meat is barbaric and cruel. Our children should have a choice."

Abdul Dean, ethnic minorities officer for the Christian Peoples Alliance, said: "Christian children should be given an equal chance to have non-halal meat. The school should have explained the situation to parents at the outset."

Last month, a head teacher in Rotherham caused an outcry when she said she intended to replace traditional turkey with halal chicken to create an 'integrated Christmas'. Jan Charters, head of Oakwood School, backed down after complaints by MPs.

A spokesperson for Reading Borough Council said: "The decision was taken several years ago. Schools thought it was the appropriate choice for their multi-cultural community. We are increasing options at the four schools by offering fish each day."

The other schools where only halal meat is served are New Town, Oxford Road and Alfred Sutton primary schools.

Earlier this year, an RSPCA pamphlet stated: "Muslim communities in the UK should review their slaughter practices. Research demonstrates that slaughter of any animal without stunning can cause unnecessary suffering."

By ANDREW BUCKWELL

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crazywelsh101 · 05-02-2007

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Originally Posted by KALKI

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Originally Posted by crazywelsh101

I dont understand. Why is it allowed?

is it part of the faith?

IT'S WRITTEN IN THE QURAN...MUSLIMS ARE INSTRUCTED TO EAT HALAL ONLY...

IF A MUSLIM BELIEVES IN "ALLAH" (God) THEN THEY MUST FOLLOW THE RULES WRITTEN IN THE QURAN..

REJECTION OF THE VERSE MAKES MUSLIMS DISBELIEVERS...APOSTATES...

FEW VERSES...

"So eat of that [meat] upon which the name of Allah has been mentioned, if you are believers in His verses.
https://quran.com/6/118

"And why should you not eat of that upon which the name of Allah has been mentioned while He has explained in detail to you what He has forbidden you, excepting that to which you are compelled. And indeed do many lead [others] astray through their [own] inclinations without knowledge. Indeed, your Lord - He is most knowing of the transgressors."
https://quran.com/6/119

"And leave what is apparent of sin and what is concealed thereof. Indeed, those who earn [blame for] sin will be recompensed for that which they used to commit."
https://quran.com/6/120

"And do not eat of that upon which the name of Allah has not been mentioned, for indeed, it is grave disobedience. And indeed do the devils inspire their allies [among men] to dispute with you. And if you were to obey them, indeed, you would be associators [of others with Him]."
https://quran.com/6/121

Right...

So Hindus don't eat Halal?

Only Muslims?

xXxKhRiShNeExXx · 15-02-2007

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Originally Posted by crazywelsh101

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Originally Posted by KALKI

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Originally Posted by crazywelsh101

I dont understand. Why is it allowed?

is it part of the faith?

IT'S WRITTEN IN THE QURAN...MUSLIMS ARE INSTRUCTED TO EAT HALAL ONLY...

IF A MUSLIM BELIEVES IN "ALLAH" (God) THEN THEY MUST FOLLOW THE RULES WRITTEN IN THE QURAN..

REJECTION OF THE VERSE MAKES MUSLIMS DISBELIEVERS...APOSTATES...

FEW VERSES...

"So eat of that [meat] upon which the name of Allah has been mentioned, if you are believers in His verses.
https://quran.com/6/118

"And why should you not eat of that upon which the name of Allah has been mentioned while He has explained in detail to you what He has forbidden you, excepting that to which you are compelled. And indeed do many lead [others] astray through their [own] inclinations without knowledge. Indeed, your Lord - He is most knowing of the transgressors."
https://quran.com/6/119

"And leave what is apparent of sin and what is concealed thereof. Indeed, those who earn [blame for] sin will be recompensed for that which they used to commit."
https://quran.com/6/120

"And do not eat of that upon which the name of Allah has not been mentioned, for indeed, it is grave disobedience. And indeed do the devils inspire their allies [among men] to dispute with you. And if you were to obey them, indeed, you would be associators [of others with Him]."
https://quran.com/6/121

Right...

So Hindus don't eat Halal?

Only Muslims?

Majority Hindus don't eat meat. Beef is strictly forbidden... Some Hindus do eat beef ..I have come across some that do..One of my uncles who's an atheist eats beef all the time but not in his house, his family knows..his choice really...
Halal is not an issue for Hindus, preferential choice, really..There's no strict guideline which forbids a Hindu from eating halal
Pork is not an problem for Hindus either..

Practicing Hindus defiantly don't eat beef, many Hindus are vegetarians..
Sikhs don't eat halal...Completely forbidden for Sikhs

Naina90 · 17-02-2007

Me too...I don't eat beef or halal

fiery1_honi · 06-04-2007

its bout respect. i understand that muslims and jewish ppl have to eat halal. That's fine. Thats how they are brought up. But the rest of us?

If I said to my muslim friends Im cooking pork at my house... when they come to dinner.... its not gonna go down too well..... if they wont be forced into something that is against their tennents/cajoled... then neither shd we.... it is as simple as that.....frankly even suggesing it wd be seen as rude.... they wd look at me as if to say.... did u jus say that?!

it is about respect.

**KALKI** · 28-01-2011

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Originally Posted by xXxKhRiShNeExXx

Majority Hindus don't eat meat. Beef is strictly forbidden... Some Hindus do eat beef ..I have come across some that do..One of my uncles who's an atheist eats beef all the time but not in his house, his family knows..his choice really...
Halal is not an issue for Hindus, preferential choice, really..There's no strict guideline which forbids a Hindu from eating halal
Pork is not an problem for Hindus either..

Practicing Hindus defiantly don't eat beef, many Hindus are vegetarians..
Sikhs don't eat halal...Completely forbidden for Sikhs

REALISTICALLY AS PRACTICING HINDU'S (Sanatani's) ANY KIND OF LIVING CREATURE SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED FOOD..
BEEF, PORK , CHICKEN EVEN FISHES SHOULD BE FORBIDDEN..

FEW EXAMPLES...

BEEF IS FORBIDDEN SINCE COWS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH KRISHNA && CONSIDERED HOLY..
VARHARA AVATAR IS ASSOCIATED WITH PIGS / BOARS..
MATSYA AVATAR IS ASSOCIATED WITH FISHES /AQUA LIFE FORMS...
BIRDS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH GARUDA (eagle) AND SKANDA (Kartikeya) WITH PEACOCKS, ROOSTERS /CHICKENS...

THE CONCEPT OF "BEING HINDU" IS NON EXISTENT IF YOU ASK ME, AND BEST LEFT FOR ANOTHER TOPIC...

Naina90 · 05-02-2011

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Originally Posted by KALKI

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Originally Posted by xXxKhRiShNeExXx

Majority Hindus don't eat meat. Beef is strictly forbidden... Some Hindus do eat beef ..I have come across some that do..One of my uncles who's an atheist eats beef all the time but not in his house, his family knows..his choice really...
Halal is not an issue for Hindus, preferential choice, really..There's no strict guideline which forbids a Hindu from eating halal
Pork is not an problem for Hindus either..

Practicing Hindus defiantly don't eat beef, many Hindus are vegetarians..
Sikhs don't eat halal...Completely forbidden for Sikhs

REALISTICALLY AS PRACTICING HINDU'S (Sanatani's) ANY KIND OF LIVING CREATURE SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED FOOD..
BEEF, PORK , CHICKEN EVEN FISHES SHOULD BE FORBIDDEN..

FEW EXAMPLES...

BEEF IS FORBIDDEN SINCE COWS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH KRISHNA && CONSIDERED HOLY..
VARHARA AVATAR IS ASSOCIATED WITH PIGS / BOARS..
MATSYA AVATAR IS ASSOCIATED WITH FISHES /AQUA LIFE FORMS...
BIRDS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH GARUDA (eagle) AND SKANDA (Kartikeya) WITH PEACOCKS, ROOSTERS /CHICKENS...

THE CONCEPT OF "BEING HINDU" IS NON EXISTENT IF YOU ASK ME, AND BEST LEFT FOR ANOTHER TOPIC...

I thought the topic had died

i thought that too....why is fish allowed for some...anyhooo

MystifiedMuslimah · 30-03-2011

No halal,
No yom yom

Harjy.Singh · 25-04-2011

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Originally Posted by FemaleSolja786

Growing Muslim population and huge demand..

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Religious and ethnic groups in the UK and Scotland

The 2001 census data showed minority ethnic groups made up 7.9% or 4.6 million of the total UK population, 2% of which lived in Scotland. 59 These groups are concentrated in the four large cities, with almost half being of South Asian origin (from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka) and the next largest community are Chinese people (0.3% of total population). 7 Other groups include; Black Caribbean, Black African or Other Black. 59 In addition the population of people migrating from the European Union countries has been increasing. 58 Other ethnic minority groups may be identified at the local level.

Although there is a more culturally diverse population, it remains predominantly Christian, with other large faith groups encompassing Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, and Jews.

https://www2.gov.scot/Publications/2008/06/24145312/10

When the Muslim population increases to 90% is halal food going to be forced down everyones throat??

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Originally Posted by fiery1_honi

its bout respect. i understand that muslims and jewish ppl have to eat halal. That's fine. Thats how they are brought up. But the rest of us?

If I said to my muslim friends Im cooking pork at my house... when they come to dinner.... its not gonna go down too well..... if they wont be forced into something that is against their tennents/cajoled... then neither shd we.... it is as simple as that.....frankly even suggesing it wd be seen as rude.... they wd look at me as if to say.... did u jus say that?!

it is about respect.

My friend at uni is like that..They cook beef and everything in the flat, when the gora upstairs cooks bacon my downstairs flatmate gets all moody and starts saying "I'm gonna find a new place to live"

He never considers how I feel when he offers me halal products

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"Without the Name all, which man wears and eats is poison. By praising the True Name one merges in the True Master." (Guru Nanak, Pauri, pg.144)

In the society of the times meat was avoided by Hindus and certain kinds by the Muslims. The Gurus tried to explain to these people that it was not eating meat was not the real sin but:

Taking anothers right is the real thing to be avoided
"Nanak, another's right is swine for him (the Musalman) and cow for him (the Hindu)." (Guru Nanak, pg. 141)

Falsehood is the real thing to avoid
"By uttering falsehood, man eats meat, Yet, he goes to admonish others. Such appears to be the leader, O' Nanak! who himself is beguiled and beguiles his comrades." (Guru Nanak, Slok, pg. 140)
"Falsehood is my dagger and to eat by defrauding is meat." (Guru Nanak, Sri Rag, pg. 24)

Evil intellect, heartlesness, slander and wrath are the real things to avoid
“Evil-intellect is the she drummer, heartlessness is the butcheress, other’s slander in the heart is a sweepress and deceitful wrath is a pariah-woman” (Guru Nanak, Slok, pg. 91)

Avarice, falsehood, cheatings and slander are the real things to avoid
“Avarice is a dog., falsehood the sweeper and cheating the eating of meat. Slandering others solely amounts to puting other’s filth in ones own mouth and fire of wrath is a pariah.” (Guru Nanak, Sri Rag, pg.15)

-X_afr|na_X- · 10-10-2011

I used to care before, now I don't

Fozia4life · 05-08-2012

Oh I think if I had expressed my view in the muslim community about the gelatine thing
they would have been horrified and told me that I am a sinner!! But you know what?

It is my conversation with God and when I die I shall answer for all the good and bad deeds in this life. I don't see why I have to answer to a Maulvi about how I live my life. I've already been condemned because I don't send my boys to mosque all the other good little muslim boys. But I took a stand and decided it was not in my kids best interests.

I went along to the mosque in question and was horrified to find that the teacher there would hit the boys with tennis balls when they read their lines wrong and also the boys that went there were druggies!! So I went in and took him out of the lesson threatened him that how dare he hit my son when he had just lost his father to cancer!!

So I haven't alot of faith in the preachers at all now. I honestly believe if you want to learn about Islam then don;t listen to a Mauvi, open the Quran and read and you will find the answers. But the English translation I feel the western world can take very literally and twist.